>> ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. >> good afternoon, everybody. welcome. thank you. welcome to huckabee from fox news studios in new york city. tonight former director of security for world's most secure airline will tell us how to stop terrorists from boarding planes and also, as millions of americans are out of work, two people who lost their jobs tell us how career changes got them back on their feet z the little rockers will be celebrating elvis presley's 75th birthday that has been this weekend.

i have been infuriated by tarp and bailouts that mess with our free market by private tiesing profits and socializing debts. i watched both political parties facilitate this folly. in the america i grew up in, we didn't have two big too fail. we had creative destruction of capitalism. we didn't keep weak companies artificially alive we let them go so more dynamic companies could take their place. giving all of us a higher standard of living letting the market and consumers decide. didn't force people to drink new coke they didn't want. we live today without pack yard and hudson and american motors and if we had to, we can live without chrysler and general motors. in the america i grew up, you've got a mortgage because you're qualified not because you had a pulse. i worry about how america looks to young people just out

of college, many forced to take jobs that don't require a college degree let alone a law degree or mba. many of them up to their eye balls in private debt watching their government saddling them with public debt that is going burden them for their lives. we've sacrificed for next generation not stolen from them. instead of generational theft we need generational thrift. some young people moving back home, delaying marriage and the start of their families and once they get careers back on track, their lifetime earnings are still going to suffer. many will never catch up to where they would have been without the collapse. the america they've experienced is less opportunity and fairness and parents and grandparents had z they see a country where ceos were paid about 30 times as much as average american worker in 1970 are now paid more than 300 times as much. they see a country that had no

net job growth in the last decade. in my life time jobs grew between 20% and 30%. they see a country where net worth fell 4% nft last decade. in my lifetime, net worth in every other decade grew between 0 and 60 rs. i worry that our young people will lose a boundless optimism and confidence and that whether they built covered wagons or rockets to the moon to the next. we don't need more wasteful government boon doggels. we need real innovation like getting rid of taxes on product activity. we need a fare tax. otherwise, our young people scale back ambitions both for themselves and their country will become self fulfilling professies of democrat minutished success and power.

that is my view. i welcome yours as well. you can e mail me on mike huckabee.com. doi read your messages and i can't respond to all of them but welcome and truly appreciate them. this week, president obama spoke about the measures being taken to fix security blunders dominating headlines past weeks. but the tonight show's conan o'brien didn't feel so reassured. >> i don't know about you. i watched the president speak. very so-to-say it didn't make me feel much safer, take a look. >> we've taken the fight to al yaed whenever they plot and frame. be it in afghanistan, pakistan, yemen, and somalia, or another countries around the world. and intelligence, homeland security and law enforcement agencies... >> well, the man who reignited

security concerns on christmas day, a 23-year-old nigerian named umar farouk abdulmutallab was indicted this week on six charges in his alleged attempt to blow up an airplane. should be be getting a lawyer and civil trial? or a military trial? looks like it's time for me to take the hot seat. two people with very different political views are going to be asking me tough questions. and this week, turning up heat former communications advisor penny lee and former staffer for house security committee and assistant to mississippi kman benny thompson g to have you here today. >> thank you.

i think they should be tried by a military court what. is your thought on that? and challenge me on it. >> sure. if we're talking about proceedal issues every tribunal all have procedure that's have to be followed. in terms of the secrecy, we can't talk about secrecy with this type of trial if we have a policy republicans are rushing for that health care under c-span should be made open and public. and then, we have a military tribunal that would have -- operate in secret. so at some point we have to have a consistent policy. if we're going to be open on one issue we should be on all of them. >> the concern is that we want to get all of the information out of the guys before they get a lawyer. once they get a lawyer the lawyer is going to do one thing, lawyer up, clam up.

any lawyer going to tell his client to shut up. we want him to talk and sing like a canary. i rather the military take him and do whatever they need to do including fill his under pants up with a explosive and let a u.s. marine detonate it. and i'm being fa seeshus. my point is that we want him to talk. and if we give him a trial, the problem becomes we give him a forum. i'm concerned about giving him this platform. across the world this trial will be broadcast as this magnificent platform to spout his anti-americanism that. is the concern. it's not we don't want to give civil treatment. because we're a country that does that. but i do think that that our problem. and you mentioned a jump in there. >> what we're trying to do is get him convicted and this is

over 300 people have been tried and committed in a military court, in 2006, the united states supreme court found some unconstitutional to try gitmo but in 2009 corrected it. appeals process going to be more drawn out than if they were in federal court. aren't you concerned we want it speedy and swift? and our justice department can't take care of the criminals? >> i'd like a speedy disposition but part of what i'm concerned about is bringing let's say cleeld cleeld cleeld to new york city. this city has a enough vulnerability without bringing him here. and i think the military tribunal can be a way to do that. i want to move on. a lot of democrats jumping off what might be a sinking ship, penny? >> well, i think there is more republicans going to announce their retirement. >> fully retired? that is the

difference. >> i understand. >> question for you is, yes. we, there is mid term shows that we use this party power for the white house is -- but i want to talk to you about coming to the array whereof they are with the republican party. as governor and when you ran for president you reach add cross both sides of the aisle and worked to get things pass skptd l also went and got two union endorsements. and now, you have a kind of a purity. and there is among tea parties asking republican parties to get here to the pure senses. how do you feel? is that into your party politics? >> i'm excited about the tea parties. they're holding everybody's feet to the fire. when i see pressure being put on members of congress i'm excited about that. >> but brings a lesser candidate and situation in new

york? congressional race? >> what i want to see them do is to say we're watching what you do. when you spend money we don't have and can't afford to pay back we're going to hold you responsible and get you out of office. >> going back to what democrats are facing biggest travesty is the loss of governor ritter in colorado. democrats made a lot of end roads in the mid west. with the democratic convention, you saw that democrats are certainly making their views known. a lot of greenish yus and water conservation, things like that that are pro democrat position that's is going to be a loss felt over time. >> i think you're right right that. is the surprise to me. chris dodd's departure wasn't a surprise. two questions one what did they get for their departure? you know and i know how the game is played. democrat or republican a guy goes out and doesn't just say i'll do this for this reason.

this is the same thing with republicans. ask what promised you what? and make them say they didn't. someone got a promise. penny? thank you very much. sorry, but great to have you here, let's do it again. >> thank you. >> hot seat still warm. we need a hot seat north nor nork -- new yorker. how to make americans safe on an airplane? how do we rebuild their confidence? we're going ask former head of security of the former secure

on thursday in response to the christmas day airline bombing president obama said our intelligence community has done it's job in getting information but failed to connect the dots. short comings allowed umar farouk abdulmutallab, an'll qaeda trained terrorist to bound a detroit bound plane armed with explosives. >> i'm ordering effort to strengthen criteria used to add individuals to our no fly list. we must do better in keeping dangerous people off airplanes. >> one airline is that does an excellent job is israel's national airline el-al. i've flown them numerous times, recently in august. i'm going to be on a flight at the end of the month. joining us now is the former

director of serk ti for el-al. great to have you with us today. >> thank you. >> would this guy abdulmutallab gotten on an el-al airplane? >> never. >> why not? >> we interview every passenger. do not relie on technology. if we know he bought one way ticket paid cash, came without luggage... he is giving me all of the signs, to tell me hey. hold me. >> why didn't we catch him? israelies have a different attitude towards terrorism apparently than americans do. what is it about, i would call it israeli psyche that is different than that of the united states? >> number one, by hire only qualified people. very well educated people. we train them very well. we cannot train them as this country until september 11th

12 hours training? and you become expert? this, in our dreams couldn't accept it. and then, on the dock training for weeks. then, test them nonstop. anyone who fails go home. thank you very much. we're dealing with life, not with business. money, you can replace. life, you cannot. >> but there is something behind that. it appears that the israelies view that threat as something severe, you know people are out to get you. the statement is that it's not paranoia if they're out to get you. you know the terrorists want to kill you. do americans not get that? >> i think we do comprehend it. we don't want to do the right steps to be able to be pro active and stop being reactive. look what happens since december, 1988, pan american

in lockerbie. 472 people lost lives. why? no security. what we learned from this? nothing. september 11th came. 3,000 people lost lives. what we learned from this? nudge something the shoe bomber richard reid. 2002. came. he hide his explosives in shoes. what we learn from this? just to tell all american passengers... >> take off your shoe autos take off your shoes. difference, and the last one, nigerian one. in his under wear. the solution? now, everyone who wants to fly we want to see them naked. what tomorrow will do? someone will make a problem in the flight... are we willing now, the third patch to tie passengers to their seats? no one will be allowed to move? even to the rest room until the aircraft will land and pilots turning often gins? >> if that happens there is

going to be a lot more cleaning to take care of. >> i agree with you. maybe because they'll each passenger will get a pumper. >> we've got to continue the conversation in just a moment. coming up more, don't go away. we're going to talk about what can keep us safer in the air and ground.

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>> i hope you're enjoying "the huckabee report". monday through friday. if you want to find the station near you go to mikehuckabee.com and click on the commentry report. we're back with the former director of security for el-al airlines. when talking before we talked about how this guy got on the plane in the first place.

i want to go back to september 11th. we got a clip from the movie "united 93" just to remind us of the day and what ended up becoming america's worst day in our lifetimes. >> can i get something for you? >> seat down, seat down. [ screaming" >> the depiction of what we've seen, unfortunately a tragic incident involving some brave american who's ended up taking that plane down rather than allowing to it fly into the capitol of the white house. el-al would have had a different approach from the

time the person bought a ticket. it won't have gotten that far? >> no. never. simple system by el-al is once you buy the ticket wet get information from you. >> from the purchase? >> yes. we train the ticket people. if you behave not normal and buy one way ticket and last moment ticket, buy cash i want to know of this. immediately we get information. then train the reservations department. i want to know how many times you've changed the date of your flight. why you did it? i want to know. maybe you're going to fear it. but i want to know. >> terminal security. you don't just drive up to the terminal. that i know. >> the moment you come... if you're suspicious we know about you before? >> yes. >> then, let us wait for you. i will not let you surprise us.

two, most passengers are honest. problem is how to train people to know how to approach a passenger to let them understand that you're taking the flight i'm staying on the ground. please cooperate with me to help me to secure your flight and to make sure that you're secure for the destination. >> next step is when you check in, you look at the person's passport what. are you looking for? what is in that interview process when looking at the passport? >> from our experience when people came about w.a fake passport smrks times, you'll see they put their picture. it's him, or her. but you see the age is different. you're five, six years old. the passport belongs to someone 50-60 years old. i want to see which countries you've visited. we know that abdulmutallab born in yemen, he was in yemen

twice. he had a visa... check. i want to know. ask what you did in yemen? >> so it's not just who he is. you know? i brought a passport. if you look at my passport would you worry about me a little bit? ask me questions. >> sure. sure. immediately. >> i'm thinking... i knew it. >> check me out. >> you're carrying passport. u.s. passport. what you did in pakistan? we know pakistan. we know where al qaeda. and we know how they love this country the al qaeda. i want to know what you did there. if you can convince me, tell me what you did. and i can... >> that is no small issue what i went to israel last time. i did go to pakistan with the u.s. government. >> okay. >> i was there to visit troops when i was governor. and one of the things we did is look at the relief work

after the terrible earthquakes but had to answer those questions because of someplaces where i have traveled. >> this will not be enough. we call u.s. embassy. >> and you're looking for is not just documentation. one of the things i've said. we have focused in this country not on a system where we train people to think about the people but train people in procedures and processes and paper work so as lng as they have right-sized plastic bag and we think they're okay. that is not good enough for israeli security. >> no. >> i want to make sure when i talk to you and ask questions and you understand why i'm doing it, if you're honest, you love to cooperate with me. if you're dishonest, or you want to hide something from me, i will see it immediately. why? we have trained our people that changes will be seen in someone lying to us. then, we can... >> did you go to congress and

check out people talking there? >> i have... i went three times! >> we've got to take a break. i want to mention before going to break other things i know el-al does that we ought to be doing is that air marshals on every flight. screen the luggage. i mean thoroughly. you check it out. >> correct. >> the airplane structure is such that it's protected. there are many steps. i wish we had more time to talk about it. coming up a new york post reporter going to test metal detector at one of the large skbreft busiest airports and some disstushing fresh and white. try mine. it whitens and i bet your breath will still feel fresh after the movie. [ female announcer ] new crest extra white plus scope outlast. for a fresh breath feeling that lasts up to 5 times longer. still fresh? yip. i want to be mad but it's tough with that smile. [ female announcer ] crest extra white plus scope outlast.

>> from america's news headquarters i am uma pemm rashg raju. they ha -- the president says he won't rule out the possibility of sending trooms to yemen. they say working with international partners are the most important. they believe the center of al qaeda activity is along the border of afghanistan and pakistan. av tar ruling the box office for a fourth weekend. >> not going to believe where i am. >> james cameron's high-tech sci-fi flick creeping closer to the all time money maker "titan tick. sherlock homes, alvin and the

chipmunks, daybreakers and it's complicated rounding out the top 5. i am uma pemmaraju. log on to foxnews.com for more. >> we're back with former security director for el-al and this week, the post reported a woman about a titanium hip implant that went through undetected. saying this isn't the first time. and so the post sent her to investigate. so what did you do? >> i purchased this bracelet. and i went through two times. and first attempt i put the bracelet in the pocket. i walked through and no one noticed and then, second time,

i made no attempt to conceal it. again walking through and no one noticed. >> so no problem. >> no. >> and alarms didn't go off or anything. >> and there have been reports and this lady from california had gone through. she has a hip replacement. there is a pretty good size, lovely picture to put on the screen. the hip you can see there. but the point is that it didn't cause her to set alarm off and she was concerned and approached agents and said i think i should have set the alarm off. >> on two occasions she did. in october and december. both times assured these machines are working right. the second time an agent e mailed her and said, rest assured they're working. and functioning. >> i want to defend the tsa

personnel on that level. one problem is that they're doing what they're told to do. i don't blame them. they do procedures and processes that they've been trained and told. and there is isaac, am i fair in saying you can't blame those guys but there is someone in planning and counter terrorism not doing what you guys do in saying here is how we ought to be aroaching -- approaching it. is that a fair assessment? >> i blame first system this, is the bad system that you have in this country. and we never want to learn. >> is it because we try to make everybody go through all of the layers because we're afraid to aphoned someone? >> we're going like robot. what happened, happened if you're not stopping every passenger to learn about his background first, if you can. then, interview, ask simple questions. why we at el-al could stop

irish woman pregnant in heathrow in london knew nothing and thought she's sharing presents for the family of the boyfriend. >> the boyfriend put stuff in the luggage skb packed it. >> he packed everything. she had the luggage went through x ray machine. nothing identified. she came to my guys through simple questions they came to the conclusion something wrong with this woman. when they opened luggage over four kilos of explosives a present sent to his family through el-al. 400 passenger autos she was irish. not islamic. >> goes back to the point you're dealing with people and your folks are focused on what these folks are about and the signs they're giving off. not big shoes or little shoes and going bear foot.

i go back. it's processes that seem to be the problem. did it bother you is that you're able to glide through this check point? >> yes. it was alarming and if i'm able to bring a titanium bracelet what is to stop someone bringing a gun or knife made of titanium? >> she's giving a question and answer. we have to stop relying on technology. >> you have offered to assist the united states government and have been to congress to testify. you've written letters to members of congress saying i will be of help. >> yes. >> have they said yes, we need you and want to implement these procedures? >> i wrote to the secretary of homeland security and told them, what is going on in this country? we have over 400 airports in this country. i said take one airport and to try to build it exactly like el-al system. let's see if we can do it.

yes, no? i have no doubt we can do it. but i want to poll if we can do it or not. they sent a nice letter bottom line didn't try to say go to hell. >> they didn't tell you that? >> no. but very nice not to tell me this. it's a shame. three times i testified in congress, once after lockerbie. twice after september 11th. i wrote whatever they asked me to write what. i think should be done. they agreed with me. the result? maybe you, governor can tell me. >> i wish i could. i'm on planes every day. i say it's -- i hold responsible not the folks working at airports but people that are at the top who ought to be understanding that the american people deserve and expect for their to be a real sense of system put into place. and we don't have a system. we have procedures. we need a system. and i thank very much isaac

and marina. thank you very much both of you for coming. >> thank you. >> and let's hope we'll start listening to you. >> 71% of the american people in favor of incorporating this system. >> a poll did show they would like to have everybody profiled and profiled doesn't mean you're shaken down for ethnicity or religious background just means everybody is carefully examined and questioned to find out whether or not you ought to be flying with me. and some of you shouldn't! and nothing to do with terrorism. you're just on nochls shus. >> friday, unemployment numbers took a turn for the worst. more americans out of work. times are tough. latest numbers suggest labor market not going to get better, coming up we're going to be join bid folk who's lost jobs but not their create activity

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>> 85,000 meshes lost their jobs in december and the rate is still at 0% according to the latest report released on friday. now, if you're having trouble finding a job, what should you do? some forks have given up trying to do what they once did and taking a stab at new careers. jufry caper used to test video games for microsoft and ted is

a former insurance executive. and thank you. let me start jeffrey, you worked at microsoft and you did testing of products like x box and cool stuff. but there was something you were doing on the side. what is that? >> i was a professional voiceover artist. did commercials and my big niche was audio books. people write books they have someone to narrate the books. >> yes. >> sometimes author does it. i've done. but in a lot of cases they don't want to do it so they hire to you do the audio version of the book people listen to, to and from work. >> correct. correct. narrating is a good thing. but a lot of authors want to get a professional to do it someone with acting ability. >> you're saying i'm not professional? >> not a bit. i look to your samples at z.they're very good. but a lot of aublgors don't have the time or the inclination to do that. it's hard work.

reading an entire book, then editing it and processing it and doing work involved. >> so you got the layoff you decided i'm doing this part time, i'll make a full time gig out of it. it's taking care of the family. >> it is. yes. yes. >> ask you sally had a different story. you had a six-figure salary, insurance executive, down sizing and layoff. you went how many months looking for work? >> i spent first six months approximately 400 resume autos how many did you hear back from? >> one telephone interview. >> one. >> one? >> out of 400 resumes. which i changed to fit the job. >> and that has got to get emotional discouraging. >> very discouraging. i have three daughters and three weddings and put the youngest through college. rising debt. concerned about how we're going to go on x z.i made a decision to go on my own. and... >> what did you do?

what did you find that you and sally said we can make a go of this? >> we went through a franchise broker. what they do is interview you and find out your likes and dislikes and this broker came up with five recommended franchises. and believe it or not one of the franchises was a company called duty calls. >> duty calls. >> doody calls. >> as in dog? >> dog doody. >> right. okay. >> that is a very niche business. it's not going to be engineered away. it's always going to be there. people don't like to pick it up they don't. >> they love dogs. >> this is a business where you contract with, i guess individuals and their yards or apartment complexes and you guy goes in and you pick up the dog poop. >> we have uniformed people and they have a identifiable truck that is lime green with

a doody dog. dust pans and bags. clean up the waste. spray tools off. preventing dog viruses from being passed between people and other pets and other yards. >> you're making a go of this. >> having a great time witness. it's very profitable. the dog business and pet business in general has actually increased revenues in the last year. during recession. >> if you're knee deep in poop you should consider a job in politics. it's a lot like it we say we're number one in the number two business. >> and what i find fascinate sthag you didn't just wait for the jobs to come to you. you came to the conclusion that wasn't going to happen. you started looking for jobs by finding something you're willing to do. and that you thought you can do. is that sort of the key in this case? >> well waits for me. this audio book nairation came to knee naturally. i spent 20 years in theater so

doing this actual nairation was second nature it's the other side of the business that is challenge. marketing and the customer service and public relations and other stuff going along with the business. >> you may not be making as much as you did with microsoft i'm assuming you probably had some cut. >> yeah. >> but are you having more fun being in control of the future? >> oh. absolutely. i get to work at home. so... i get to wake up with my kids. i get to send them to school i'm there when the bus comes. i never miss dinner. i get to have lunch with my wife. i get to do, i never miss soccer games. i get to do all of the family things you just can't put a price tag on. >> you and sally took a huge pay cut to start this business but as opposed to working for a company that sets your salary you really have unlimited potential if this takes off. as long as dogs continue to do what dogs do.

looks like there is a market out there. >> we're looking to look at this as an opportunity rather than a negative. we believe that god closes one door opening another. and we saw it as a challenge. sally was very support yismt we have had v.a great opportunity build this company for ourselves and possibly for our children. typical american opportunity to take the bull by the horns and go with it. >> or dog by the ears or whatever. >> exactly. >> sally this, you noi is a big career change. but you guys are spending more time together. >> we are. we have gone and cleaned up yards together which is very fun to do. but i did enjoy it. it's nice and it gives fred and i a common goal, something to work for instead of going our separate ways in the morning. him to his job. me to my job. this gives us something to worng together. it's a nice feeling to have. >> thank you very much for being here. and telling us your stories.

it's always fascinating to learn that when life deals lemons maybe you can make lemonade. i know a lot of people are out of work and hurting. i hope you'll realize don't wait for someone to come to you. think of what you want to do, like to do. all of the money isn't worth it if you don't like what you do. it's better to make less and love the job than make a bunch of money and hate every day you wake up. i meet a lot of happy people that don't make a lot of money and miserable people that made a bunch of money. finding something you like to do. thanks for these guys for being here with us today, coming up, little rockers going to join me in paying homage to elvis presley on this weekend of his 75th birthday. we'll be right back.

this week marked the 75th birthday. it's been more than 32 years since he left the king still loves -- lives on. here, we can take a look. >> he was born into a poor family in mississippi in 1935 and became the most famous entertainer of all time. after his family moved to memphis he recorded a song at the age of 18 as a present for his mother. soon after revolutionize td rock and roll, getting a number one hit with "heart break hotel" in 1956.

♪ [ music ] his look, voice and moves turned him into a sex symbol and a icon. after serving time in the army and starring in several blockbuster movies his career hit a snag, until his television come back special in 1968 catapulted him back to the top. told over a billion records. he's the most impersonated celebrity of all time with 40,000 around the world. and in august, every year, elvis week is celebrated at graceland on the anniversary of his death.

and this staff wanted me to wear a jump suit and everything. i told them no way. i saw the blagojevich elvis impersonation and i said that is it. i'm not getting anywhere near it. we have a great love of elvis presley on the show. and i think sometimes we forget the impact he's had on our lives and i've often says he probably does more for race relations than all politicians because he caused people to begin to talk to each other work with each other in a way politicians didn't. the little rockers are joining me tonight for a special tribute to elvis on lead guitar, keith wilson is with us. and on drums bob higens and lauren green on key boards tonight. just a reminder. that... little rockers really with a konsent when starting

this show of recognizing that you don't have to be a musician on a professional level to continue to enjoy it. and yeah, we've had great incredible artists. willie nelson, ray price and neil sedaka guys like us have other jobs and people work here at fox news, everyone of them doing full time jobs but never able to get music out of their system. it's our desire to be able to say no matter what you do there has got to be room for a little music. we hope you'll give us an opportunity to make music with you. we close out the show with the tribute to the king elvis presley have a good night from the fox studios in new york. god bless, and god bless elvis. ♪ [ music ] .

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